{"id":43205,"date":"2023-07-30T14:41:15","date_gmt":"2023-07-30T19:41:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/?p=43205"},"modified":"2024-01-02T12:21:59","modified_gmt":"2024-01-02T18:21:59","slug":"my-experience-applying-for-a-mortgage-in-mexico-as-a-permanent-resident","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/my-experience-applying-for-a-mortgage-in-mexico-as-a-permanent-resident\/","title":{"rendered":"My Experience Applying for a Mortgage in Mexico as a Permanent Resident"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>(Post 241 of 263)<\/p>\n<p>If you go to the expat forums here and ask about getting credit in Mexico, especially a mortgage, you&#8217;ll hear outdated lies like &#8220;Cash is king&#8221; and that it&#8217;s impossible for a foreigner to get credit here. There really are not a lot of resources for English-speaking immigrants to Mexico as we&#8217;re seen as expats who will always have a foot in their home country. Well, returning to Canada is a non-starter for me, so I need to figure out how to make a life here, and figuring that out involves a lot of figuring things out for myself because the resources just aren&#8217;t there. So maybe this post will help someone else like me in building their life in Mexico. For those who are new here, note that I do speak Spanish and do everything in Spanish, and that that makes a bigger difference than the non-Spanish speakers realise.<\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/so-how-am-i-managing-to-buy-my-nearly-dream-house\/\">January 2021, I was given the opportunity to buy the house I&#8217;m renting<\/a>. The way I pulled that off is alien to Americans and Canadians, but my bank account manager said it is absolutely the way things are done here, by building a deep personal relationship with sellers in order to make a deal like they would with a family member. But even if you didn&#8217;t have that, I think that my experience in applying for a mortgage will still be valuable.<\/p>\n<p>The deal was that the sellers would act as the bank for three years, at which point they would consider themselves paid and I&#8217;d have to make a huge balloon payment to clear the mortgage on the house, whether that be with cash or by obtaining my own loan.<\/p>\n<p>I knew that paying cash was going to be near impossible so I immediately looked into what I would need to build a credit history here to be able to have a chance of qualifying for a mortgage by February 2024. The steps really aren&#8217;t that different than those of establishing a credit history in Canada &#8212; you just need to find the first bank willing to extend you credit.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d had a bank account with HSBC for a few years, so I started with them and asked for a credit card, with the hope being that I could build credit with them and just do a transfer of the existing mortgage they were holding from the sellers&#8217; names to mine. But I was not surprised when I was declined as HSBC treated me like a tourist through our entire relationship, going so far as to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/do-not-open-an-account-at-hsbc-mexico\/\">freeze my account<\/a> every time I bought something they didn&#8217;t think a tourist should be buying.<\/p>\n<p>I decided to try out BBVA and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/so-far-so-great-with-bbva\/\">they were great from the beginning<\/a>. They did not fuss about my being only a permanent resident and gave me a bank account, a savings plan, and a path towards getting my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/my-first-mexican-credit-card\/\">first Mexican credit card<\/a>. From that point, my journey to building my credit here was easy.<\/p>\n<p>I got a couple of increases on my card and before I knew it, I had an offer on my phone to take a personal loan. I was advised to take the loan, make payments for a few months, and then pay it off. The loan was stupidly\/dangerously easy to get &#8212; I literally just had to press &#8220;accept&#8221; on my phone and I had the funds. The interest rate was sky high, as interest rates usually are here, but it was a means to an end.<\/p>\n<p>The next step was to see if another bank would extend me credit, so I was advised to try out for something like the Costco or Rappi Visa cards. The Rappi card was interesting to me as this is a delivery service I use a lot and I could do the entire application process through my phone (rather than having to travel to Costco). I was immediately approved and the card was delivered to me the next day!<\/p>\n<p>At this point, I was advised to not ask for more credit and to keep my credit card balances low. I do have a balance on my BBVA card for items bought with &#8220;months without interest&#8221; promotions, but was told that&#8217;s not a problem as I&#8217;ve been making the monthly payments and the card balance is very low compared to the limit (which is now six times what it was when I opened the account).<\/p>\n<p>So to recap, over two years I&#8217;ve obtained credit products and used them responsibly. I&#8217;ve also been careful to even out deposits into my bank account to show that while I might be an &#8220;autonoma&#8221; (freelancer) I have steady, regular, reliable income. Also part of my credit history, although not nearly as important to a computer algorithm as I&#8217;d hope, is that I have been paying the existing mortgage myself for over two years without fail.<\/p>\n<p>In late July, I went to to the bank to see if I was ready to apply for the mortgage. I was told that if we did this, we&#8217;d have two to three months to close, so I had to make sure the sellers would not mind closing out the contract early. They know I&#8217;m at this stage and are standing by, so I&#8217;m good to go.<\/p>\n<p>Now, here is where my application process is probably going to wildly differ from someone walking in off the street with a house they are interested in buying and no equity in said house. You&#8217;re probably going to need to have up to 60% cash available as a deposit. I, on the other hand, am looking for a loan for less than half the value of the house I&#8217;m buying. There is absolutely no way the bank can lose in such a scenario, so spoiler, I was approved for a loan to cover not only the existing mortgage balance, but also all closing costs, with enough leftover to do some renovations if I want.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the paperwork the bank needed for my mortgage application. By the way, they wanted everything digitally even though I arrived with a stack of paper!<\/p>\n<p>-copy of my Canadian passport photo page<br \/>\n-copy of my permanent resident card<br \/>\n-copy of my birth certificate (which was thankfully accepted despite being in French)<br \/>\n-copy of my CURP (&#8220;social security number&#8221;) certificate<br \/>\n-copy of my &#8220;constancia fiscal&#8221; with RFC, which is a document from SAT\/Hacienda saying I&#8217;m tax-compliant and which provides my tax ID number. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/registering-for-an-rfc\/\">I got this back last August<\/a>, clever me!<br \/>\n-comprobante de domicilio (proof of address, a power bill)<br \/>\n-three most recent bank statements<br \/>\n-three local, preferably Mexican, references (I put a call-out to almost everyone I know and was shocked by how fast the references came in, with some, like my handyguy, having everyone in their family send me their info!)<\/p>\n<p>In addition to this, added to the file were the house purchase contract, the last mortgage statement from HSBC, and a letter I wrote outlining what I was asking for and why. Ultimately, the contract means nothing to this transaction, but my account manager used this extra paperwork to push through with a more senior person after I was denied by the computer algorithm.<\/p>\n<p>Once all of this was reviewed, I was further asked for statements from my Canadian bank and PayPal as the source accounts for my deposits here and an explanation of where the money was actually coming from. I gave a full year of statements and supporting documentation showing steady payments from the same clients and said I could go back a full three years showing these same clients paying me every month, and even further back showing that I&#8217;ve been supporting myself for 12 years as a freelancer, which is how I got my initial residency visa.<\/p>\n<p>After all this was reviewed, it was time for a telephone verification. This took a few tries as their phone system connection isn&#8217;t great and I couldn&#8217;t really understand the callers. They finally found a line with a better connection and then the call was easy to deal with, so it really wasn&#8217;t a language barrier issue. I can&#8217;t remember everything they asked me but some of the questions were:<\/p>\n<p>-When did you last apply for a credit product, whether approved or not?<\/p>\n<p>-What is the balance on your non-BBVA credit product?<\/p>\n<p>-What is the balance and limit of your BBVA credit card?<\/p>\n<p>-What is the balance on your store credit cards, if any?<\/p>\n<p>-Do you have a car loan?<\/p>\n<p>-Then there were some fairly random questions, like a multiple choice of which city I live (none of them), that I think were for identify verification.<\/p>\n<p>-Finally, some questions about the service I&#8217;ve received from BBVA.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t find anything up to this point particularly onerous and I was able to come up with all paperwork and reports in minutes, so I wasn&#8217;t scrambling for anything bizarre.<\/p>\n<p>This morning, I got confirmation that my loan was approved and the terms thereof. Honestly, it feels like I won the lottery.<\/p>\n<p>Next steps are to do the valuation of the house and the fideicomiso (trust), so I need to get a huge pile of documents from the sellers. They travel a lot and are always busy, so I told them we have three months to close and I&#8217;m not in a hurry, which I&#8217;m really not now that I know everything is in place.<\/p>\n<p>I feel like I&#8217;ve reached port after an extremely long voyage that started on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/on-the-road\/\">September 4, 2008, when a na\u00efve and intrepid girl pointed an RV north into the wilderness of l&#8217;Abitibi<\/a>. I thought my port was going to be Haven, I honestly did, and I would have been happy for the simple future that Haven would have afforded me if I could have made a living there, but it was just a port of call on my way to a life I hadn&#8217;t even dared to dream of and so am still having difficulty envisioning.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cPeace and rest at length have come<br \/>\nAll the day&#8217;s long toil is past,<br \/>\nAnd each heart is whispering, &#8216;Home,<br \/>\nHome at last.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Post 241 of 263) If you go to the expat forums here and ask about getting credit in Mexico, especially a mortgage, you&#8217;ll hear outdated lies like &#8220;Cash is king&#8221; and that it&#8217;s impossible for a foreigner to get credit here. There really are not a lot of resources for English-speaking immigrants to Mexico as [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[895],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43205","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-merida"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43205","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43205"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43205\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43221,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43205\/revisions\/43221"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43205"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=43205"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.raecrothers.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=43205"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}